Wait what?! I thought Ronaldo was rubbish and could only score against Espanyol as they are also rubbish? His 5 goals hold no value as anyone could do it?! Oh. Oh right.
@Someboy1910 Scoring 5 goals against any team is no mean feat however the point is that football is not just about who scores the most goals. Ultimately the fairest way to judge any player in any position is the influence they have on the game. When Ronaldo scores vital goals, he has a great influence obviously but when he doesn't score, he has a very little influence. Whereas a player like Messi or Neymar don't need to score to have a massive influence on the game and that is why they are better
@MSNism How do you quantify this influence on the game when not scoring? I ask as I noticed that Suarez and Neymar performed much better without Messi. Also, Barcelona have a much higher win ratio without him. Yet Madrid have a lower win ratio when Ronaldo is not there. I'm not questioning who is the better side, Barcelona have been the best team for quite some time.
@Someboy1910 We r no longer dependant on Leo but when he is on the field he can split a defence with his dribbling and passing. Neymar is perhaps scoring less but is still terrorising defences and Suarez is still scoring quite freely. The reason that Barca win less with Messi in the side in that when the trio r in a good scoring position bcos they r unselfish friends. In the end they mess up with their own finish as they focus more on passing rather than finishing , that is why we aren't winning so much atm. I shall tell u how u can influence without scoring - Defence splitting passes, dribbles, movement to make space for others, brilliant saves, leadership,tackles, etc. Goals is gr8 and I concede Cr7 is a far more efficient finisher than LM10 atm and his movement to get on the end of a cross is brilliant but he can't influence the game in as many ways as any of MSN
@Someboy1910 What's the use of scoring against Espanyol... if you don't win nothing for your team?
Messi is winning trophies for Barca, my friend. He's the best attacker, in a trio of the best attackers in the world.
I know it hurts. ;)
@Someboy1910 this is called "derby" and it has different computation's so can you tell me what's happened in the madrid derby .. I think that ronaldo was absent there .. Hehe
@Babykimoo Here's me thinking that Atletico Madrid were a good side and that was why it was a tougher game. It is surprising though....these magical derby powers didn't seem to stop Ronaldo against Rayo Vallecano (also a Madrid based side). Oh well, I bow to your superior logic and will consider Ronaldo's 5 goal feat a non event. It still doesn't help explain why he has scored 44 goals in the Champions league since Jan 2013 and Messi has scored 24. Nor why Ronaldo has also assisted more since then too. I remain confused but for the sake of whoscored.com and their love for Messi's style of play I will consider Ronaldo as 'absent rubbish'.
@Someboy1910 ppl will doubt cr7 no matter wat-even if he fly for real ppl would still be in denial.
Cr7 had to compete with one the finest players all the time like messi compete him on equal footing in ballon dor. still winning 3 ballon dor with messi still in his prime is quite an achievement. If messi was not there in the game imagine how many ballon dor cr7 would have won. That would be a lot.
@alexandrion91 yeah but when madrid drps points all the ronaldo and madrid haters are quick to jump on their match centre and th comments are flooded with barcelona fans
I was as frustated watching this game as when I play world class on Fifa
We couldn't create many chances and Espanyol parked the bus and they intercepted well and gave Masch and Pique a hard and BRGHHHHHHHHHH
evil barcelona bribing the ref to not call fouls and give espanyol players blatant yellow cards so they could play the victim afterwards, pffft typical uefalona, amirite u guise?
Guaranteed sending off for Espanyol. Probably a straight red for a tackle on Neymar or Suarez which at first glance wasn't as bad as it looked. Ha. Going with a 2-0 Barca win.
BUSI BABY YEAAHHH
Wait what?! I thought Ronaldo was rubbish and could only score against Espanyol as they are also rubbish? His 5 goals hold no value as anyone could do it?! Oh. Oh right.
@Someboy1910 tell them boy
@Someboy1910 Scoring 5 goals against any team is no mean feat however the point is that football is not just about who scores the most goals. Ultimately the fairest way to judge any player in any position is the influence they have on the game. When Ronaldo scores vital goals, he has a great influence obviously but when he doesn't score, he has a very little influence. Whereas a player like Messi or Neymar don't need to score to have a massive influence on the game and that is why they are better
@MSNism How do you quantify this influence on the game when not scoring? I ask as I noticed that Suarez and Neymar performed much better without Messi. Also, Barcelona have a much higher win ratio without him. Yet Madrid have a lower win ratio when Ronaldo is not there. I'm not questioning who is the better side, Barcelona have been the best team for quite some time.
@Someboy1910 We r no longer dependant on Leo but when he is on the field he can split a defence with his dribbling and passing. Neymar is perhaps scoring less but is still terrorising defences and Suarez is still scoring quite freely. The reason that Barca win less with Messi in the side in that when the trio r in a good scoring position bcos they r unselfish friends. In the end they mess up with their own finish as they focus more on passing rather than finishing , that is why we aren't winning so much atm. I shall tell u how u can influence without scoring - Defence splitting passes, dribbles, movement to make space for others, brilliant saves, leadership,tackles, etc. Goals is gr8 and I concede Cr7 is a far more efficient finisher than LM10 atm and his movement to get on the end of a cross is brilliant but he can't influence the game in as many ways as any of MSN
@Someboy1910 What's the use of scoring against Espanyol... if you don't win nothing for your team? Messi is winning trophies for Barca, my friend. He's the best attacker, in a trio of the best attackers in the world. I know it hurts. ;)
@Someboy1910 It meaned five goals and three points, but all of them often generated zero trophy.
@Someboy1910 NAILED IT BRO!
@Someboy1910 this is called "derby" and it has different computation's so can you tell me what's happened in the madrid derby .. I think that ronaldo was absent there .. Hehe
@Babykimoo Here's me thinking that Atletico Madrid were a good side and that was why it was a tougher game. It is surprising though....these magical derby powers didn't seem to stop Ronaldo against Rayo Vallecano (also a Madrid based side). Oh well, I bow to your superior logic and will consider Ronaldo's 5 goal feat a non event. It still doesn't help explain why he has scored 44 goals in the Champions league since Jan 2013 and Messi has scored 24. Nor why Ronaldo has also assisted more since then too. I remain confused but for the sake of whoscored.com and their love for Messi's style of play I will consider Ronaldo as 'absent rubbish'.
@Someboy1910 im sorry but Rayo was better than Real before going 2 men down..
@Someboy1910 ppl will doubt cr7 no matter wat-even if he fly for real ppl would still be in denial. Cr7 had to compete with one the finest players all the time like messi compete him on equal footing in ballon dor. still winning 3 ballon dor with messi still in his prime is quite an achievement. If messi was not there in the game imagine how many ballon dor cr7 would have won. That would be a lot.
THIS ISNT WWE ESPANYOL!!
MSN crashed or what !?
@starc 2 woodworks, so many yellow cards, I'd call it luck.
Barca can't win without Vermaelen (on the bench or on the pitch).
So many comments about Real....Tell me again, who was playing today?
@alexandrion91 yeah but when madrid drps points all the ronaldo and madrid haters are quick to jump on their match centre and th comments are flooded with barcelona fans
@alexandrion91 Are you actively acting indifferent?
@alexandrion91 "So many comments about Real" — just 2 comments about Real.
Until real madrid flounders tommorow, this is satisfying.
I was as frustated watching this game as when I play world class on Fifa We couldn't create many chances and Espanyol parked the bus and they intercepted well and gave Masch and Pique a hard and BRGHHHHHHHHHH
remember what happened when barca got a subpar result first game of the year of 2015....
It's OK Madrid are dropping all 3 points manana
Espanyol will cry at Nou Camp...
@Taha25 ....
MESSI WILL SILENCE EVERYONE AND SCORE A WINNER IN LAST FEW MINUTES!!! GOLD
@starc rip.
@starc let it rest starc...
@neumi17 HAHAH MESSI TROLLED!!
@starc
Lucho has lost the tactical battle were just praying for MSN magic
Phil Shoen's voice finally dropped?
evil barcelona bribing the ref to not call fouls and give espanyol players blatant yellow cards so they could play the victim afterwards, pffft typical uefalona, amirite u guise?
crazy hacking from Espanyol
Messi to score a hat-trick!
@starc Boooooring...
Neymar more than 4 dribbles, one assist, one goal and at least 3 key passes.
boring 1-0 Barcelona
I'm afraid Arda the rat from Atletico will sabotage our season boys
@ChaoticReaper do not think in a Childish way
Guaranteed sending off for Espanyol. Probably a straight red for a tackle on Neymar or Suarez which at first glance wasn't as bad as it looked. Ha. Going with a 2-0 Barca win.
@SteveHyland kek 8/8 top bantz m8
im a real fan so 1-0?
@AxelSSuy How can you be a real fan if you love the beauty of football...No magic moments in Madrids game.
@neumi17 NICE GAME!!!! MSN crashed meh
The best derby in the world.. woot woot
Barca too much oh breaking all records available.