Yes !!! Thank you Löw for being you. Thank you for repeating the same mistakes ( Choice of players on the field, slow build up, no creativity, no 1-1 situations ...) over and over again. Every idiot has seen now, that it needs a new manager, a new thinking, a new game plan and new players on the pitch ...
@neumi17- This would be a polarising choice (and maybe the very worst choice for a number of people), but I would go for Roger Schmidt. His Salzburg & Leverkusen teams had flaws but they were exciting to watch and combined much of what this German team is missing (aggressive pressing, 1v1 situations on the wing, a collective defensive effort and a general dynamism in attack). With the calibre of players that Germany have, I think he is at least worth considering. That 4-2-4 press was crazy at times, but fun- and gives rise to the potential of a Brandt/Werner/Gnabry/Sane quadrumvirate which would scare many defences. This Germany team are dull, predictable and, now, ineffective.
This was very humiliating-17 years in the making if the commentators are to be believed. Low! Why on earth would you use Ginter as a rightback for Germany? Sure he can cross. But his tortoise-esque pace. That would have been a red flag for you from day One. Instead of using Ginter as a center back where he's at his best. You ended up using Ginter as a right back? Which he admitted he never played before coming to Dortmund under Tuchel. Not even youth levels. These are one of the many questionable decision you make thanks to your favoritism.
Low and his favorites! Lowk where that got us!
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Hummels,Boateng are the worst CB pairing for Germany. They keep a high line but both are lazy af. Also their line is so distorted. Bomb forward too much both of them.
Low with one of the worst lineups. Seriously why would you play a midfield with no creativity(Can,Kimmich and a DLP) and 3 target men.
What to say about Muller?lol
Irony is the same manager won the World Cup with Germany . This is the same scenario with Mourinho, Wenger , Van Gaal and many others . If you can't come up with new tactics with time changes , you are bound to fall
@neumi17- Nothing will change anyway, even with a 10-0 loss. He should have been sacked after the WC. When he wasn't, that signalled a clear intent by the DFB to keep him until 2020 even to their detriment. All of the better (German) alternatives are employed and have no incentive to give up good jobs for the dysfunctional German national team setup. Even worse than that, Wenger was the favourite to take over if Loew is sacked, the last time I checked. Swapping an obstinate manager with archaic tactics for an obstinate manager with archaic tactics would be typical of the current DFB hierarchy.
@yash8117 When i posted that germany will win , i thought Muller will not start the match, and after i knew he is in the starting lineup i posted that Germany will suffer, and thats what happened, they got a humilated defeat
Oh Low when will you learn? Sticking to the same old same old team is what got you in trouble during the world cup. Give these trusted 11 their due rest. Give fresh faces a chance. Give Gnarby a chance . Give Brandt a chance. Give Sane a chance (Oh you're already doing that good). Assimilate Leon Bailey to the national team. Muller would work well with Die Mannschaft if he's given ample of space. With a wingers who knows how beat their man would create that said space for Muller to exploit.
Also I feel like we don't have much options on right back if something bad happens to Kimmich. Who's gonna play than? It's not we don't have options there. We do (Weiser, Caligiuri and Heincrichs says hi). It is just that Low has his favorites which he needs to stop. Only exclude players that show bad attitude like Sane. If a guy a is professional and he's playing better than HIS favorites. Than you need to pick that guy instead of your favorites.
@Ffaris Leon Bailey ? He plays for Jamaica and doesn't even speak german. Other than that I go along with your complaints. Even worse, Kimmich plays as a center midfielder now and Ginter takes his place. The axis Süle, Ginter, Müller and Rudy ist probably the most limited in international football. But as long nobody says anything against it, not even journalist at the press conference, Löw will keep on bringing his sh...y line ups ...
@neumi17 Regarding Leon Bailey. He doesn't play for Jamaica and he doesn't want to play for them either. But Bailey wants to play for us. So that's why I used the word ASSIMILATE Bailey to the national set up as soon as possible not give him chance. Just like Cacau and Kuranyi. They were Brazilian and ended up representing us. This could be our opportunity.
@Ffaris He decided to play for Jamaica last week. Besides, he is not German, doesn't speak german, has no german ancestors and doesn't hold a german passport.
@neumi17 What about Cacau? He wasn't German. He couldn't speak German either when he first came to Germany. Neither did he had any German ancestors. Yet he played for us and was usually back up for Klose. It's kind of sad that Leon Bailey decided to play for Jamiaca though. He was a guy who could have contributed to us a lot. But regardless Germany need to effing overhaul their youth system. We're doing something wrong if we are not producing skillful players. Only Gotze had real skills before his illness.
@Ffaris Cacau spoke perfect german and qualified for the german Passport since he fulfilled all the requirements. One was to have been in Germany for 5 years straight ...
@Ffaris Imagine if Ozil was playing and the winger were 2 of Gnabry,Sane,Brandt. Wow.
Midfield of Sule,Kroos,Ozil(full possession and creativity) ; attack of pacey and young forwards. Hummels and Boateng would also get some relieve from buildup and defending. Fast forwards, fast buildup of attack.
Germany is my favorite team in Europe but they are doing too bad.
God just give Philip Max a chance already. His qualities on his crosses and set pieces would helps us a lot. England befitted from Ashley Young and Trippier crosses and abilities on the set pieces a lot during the world cup. Max can do the same. Just kick that favoritism out of your system and give players who are actually playing well for their club team their deserved chances at the national team.
@neumi17 Well Hector sucks at crossing. So yeah we did crossed. Except that was sucked at both crossing and set pieces. Hummels is a big guy. Boateng is a big guy so is hector is a big guy too. We hardly scored from set pieces either. But England did. They got to the semifinal we didn't.
@neumi17 that was because they had we 2 dynamic box to box midfielders back than, namely Bastian Schweinsteiger and Peak Khedira. Schweinsteiger retired and Khedira is old and he basically sucks now. Our wingers were still bad at dribbling even back in 2014 (Prinz Poldi, Draxler, Schrulle, Gotze and Thomas Muller were our wingers so yeah dribbling not their strong points). It was just that we had dynamic box to box midfielders who created space for our strikers. As much as I like Kroos he isn't remotely close to being a box to box midfielder; he's more of a Xavi-esqe midfielder. You can't really expect Kroos to provide all that energy in the midfield and combined with dead beat Khedira so we were cruising for a bruising. Honestly I agree with Messi. Germany doesn't have (Neymar or Mbappe like) superstar amongst their ranks. And I blame German youth system for that which definitely needs to be overhauled. France, Brazil and Spain have superstars and we don't.
@Ffaris - Germany does have superstars. Neuer, ter Stegen, Hummels, Boateng, Kroos have been among the world's best at their positions. But Löw has been committing the same error as del Bosque before him. Playing the same players every time, regardless of opponent, regardless of form, regardless of what works doesn't make for an efficient & winning football.
@andrew7taylor When I said super star I specifically mentioned Neymar or Mbappe esque superstars. You know winging wizards like Hazard, Neymar, Dembelle or Mbappe guys who know how to dribble past their opponent. Rather than giving ponderous tiki taka passes that leads to nowhere. That kind of superstar Germany definitely lacks. Gotze was like that winging wizard before that myopathy disaster that struck him and reduced him to whatever he's today.
@ambrose Thilo Kehrer he's not regular for PSG. And Metz? I'm guessing you're talking about Mesut Ozil. Well his story was quite unfortunate. He was made a SOLE scapegoat for Germany failure at the world cup. Instead of overhauling our youth system and thereby creating skillful players for the the national team and firing some incompetent members of DfB (German FA). Ozil was made the scapegoat. So in summary Ozil OUT and incompetent people running the German FA still IN.
@neumi17 Not cowardly. Well he was publicly attacked by Matthaus, Hoeness and various members of german fa members who wanted to retain their jobs instead of getting the sack they deserve.
I think I know more about football than Low.
Seriously Sule paired with Kroos ; Hummels,Boateng as CBs ; dropping Muller and playing a fast and young attack with Sane,Werner,Draxler,Brandt,Gnabry. Would be a much much better lineup. Don't give CB much time on ball instead use Kroos for possession. Literally Germany would be best team in the world. Don't know why Muller plays all the matches.
Sadly, Low doesn't have guts to experiment with his lineup. Netherlands are so strong with young defenders. They won't allow the dead German attack to sneak past them. FdJ,De Ligt are diamonds. Never seen such good defenders and pretty good on ball at this young age.
@ambrose lol I meant a Kroos-Sule pivot ahead Hummels,Boateng as CB. To give Kroos more cover in midfield I woul pair him with Sule who is good at defending like Casemiro. The reason why Germany lost. Kroos can't play a DM alone, his workrate is too high. He can't add another role to his existing one.
@yash8117 - Where did this idea of Süle playing in midfield come from? As far as I know, he has never played anything but central defender. Versatility is a talent, not a matter of willingness.
It could be a good team if it wasn't for Löw. NEUER - KIMMICH, SÜLE, HUMMELS, HECTOR - KROOS, CAN - SANÈ, GNABRY, BRAND - WERNER would be a very gifted starting 11. But I can imagine that Löw puts out a ridiculous squad like Neuer - Ginter, Boateng, Süle, Schulz - Rudy, Kroos - Werner, Draxler, Müller - Uth
Yes !!! Thank you Löw for being you. Thank you for repeating the same mistakes ( Choice of players on the field, slow build up, no creativity, no 1-1 situations ...) over and over again. Every idiot has seen now, that it needs a new manager, a new thinking, a new game plan and new players on the pitch ...
@neumi17- This would be a polarising choice (and maybe the very worst choice for a number of people), but I would go for Roger Schmidt. His Salzburg & Leverkusen teams had flaws but they were exciting to watch and combined much of what this German team is missing (aggressive pressing, 1v1 situations on the wing, a collective defensive effort and a general dynamism in attack). With the calibre of players that Germany have, I think he is at least worth considering. That 4-2-4 press was crazy at times, but fun- and gives rise to the potential of a Brandt/Werner/Gnabry/Sane quadrumvirate which would scare many defences. This Germany team are dull, predictable and, now, ineffective.
This was very humiliating-17 years in the making if the commentators are to be believed. Low! Why on earth would you use Ginter as a rightback for Germany? Sure he can cross. But his tortoise-esque pace. That would have been a red flag for you from day One. Instead of using Ginter as a center back where he's at his best. You ended up using Ginter as a right back? Which he admitted he never played before coming to Dortmund under Tuchel. Not even youth levels. These are one of the many questionable decision you make thanks to your favoritism. Low and his favorites! Lowk where that got us! .
@Ffaris Germany got World Champion with Höwedes as leftback, who also had never played the position before.
Hummels,Boateng are the worst CB pairing for Germany. They keep a high line but both are lazy af. Also their line is so distorted. Bomb forward too much both of them. Low with one of the worst lineups. Seriously why would you play a midfield with no creativity(Can,Kimmich and a DLP) and 3 target men. What to say about Muller?lol
Irony is the same manager won the World Cup with Germany . This is the same scenario with Mourinho, Wenger , Van Gaal and many others . If you can't come up with new tactics with time changes , you are bound to fall
Jogi needs to go, maybe manage Madrid or something.
@MathCatsFootball For the Low of God, not Real Madrid
Sa(h)ne... nome est omen.
Is it just me or this German squad looks not very good let's put it that way
I hope Holland will win 3-0 ! Otherwise nothing will ever change with this clown on the bench ...
@neumi17 You got exactly what you asked for
@neumi17- Nothing will change anyway, even with a 10-0 loss. He should have been sacked after the WC. When he wasn't, that signalled a clear intent by the DFB to keep him until 2020 even to their detriment. All of the better (German) alternatives are employed and have no incentive to give up good jobs for the dysfunctional German national team setup. Even worse than that, Wenger was the favourite to take over if Loew is sacked, the last time I checked. Swapping an obstinate manager with archaic tactics for an obstinate manager with archaic tactics would be typical of the current DFB hierarchy.
Both teams to score
@footballover 0-0
Muller in the starting lineup = Germany will suffer
Germany easy win
@Cannavaro69 as you said Muller in the starting lineup. They wont win. A draw. Netherlands are strong too.
@yash8117 When i posted that germany will win , i thought Muller will not start the match, and after i knew he is in the starting lineup i posted that Germany will suffer, and thats what happened, they got a humilated defeat
Oh Low when will you learn? Sticking to the same old same old team is what got you in trouble during the world cup. Give these trusted 11 their due rest. Give fresh faces a chance. Give Gnarby a chance . Give Brandt a chance. Give Sane a chance (Oh you're already doing that good). Assimilate Leon Bailey to the national team. Muller would work well with Die Mannschaft if he's given ample of space. With a wingers who knows how beat their man would create that said space for Muller to exploit. Also I feel like we don't have much options on right back if something bad happens to Kimmich. Who's gonna play than? It's not we don't have options there. We do (Weiser, Caligiuri and Heincrichs says hi). It is just that Low has his favorites which he needs to stop. Only exclude players that show bad attitude like Sane. If a guy a is professional and he's playing better than HIS favorites. Than you need to pick that guy instead of your favorites.
@Ffaris Leon Bailey ? He plays for Jamaica and doesn't even speak german. Other than that I go along with your complaints. Even worse, Kimmich plays as a center midfielder now and Ginter takes his place. The axis Süle, Ginter, Müller and Rudy ist probably the most limited in international football. But as long nobody says anything against it, not even journalist at the press conference, Löw will keep on bringing his sh...y line ups ...
@neumi17 Regarding Leon Bailey. He doesn't play for Jamaica and he doesn't want to play for them either. But Bailey wants to play for us. So that's why I used the word ASSIMILATE Bailey to the national set up as soon as possible not give him chance. Just like Cacau and Kuranyi. They were Brazilian and ended up representing us. This could be our opportunity.
@Ffaris He decided to play for Jamaica last week. Besides, he is not German, doesn't speak german, has no german ancestors and doesn't hold a german passport.
@neumi17 What about Cacau? He wasn't German. He couldn't speak German either when he first came to Germany. Neither did he had any German ancestors. Yet he played for us and was usually back up for Klose. It's kind of sad that Leon Bailey decided to play for Jamiaca though. He was a guy who could have contributed to us a lot. But regardless Germany need to effing overhaul their youth system. We're doing something wrong if we are not producing skillful players. Only Gotze had real skills before his illness.
@Ffaris Cacau spoke perfect german and qualified for the german Passport since he fulfilled all the requirements. One was to have been in Germany for 5 years straight ...
@Ffaris Imagine if Ozil was playing and the winger were 2 of Gnabry,Sane,Brandt. Wow. Midfield of Sule,Kroos,Ozil(full possession and creativity) ; attack of pacey and young forwards. Hummels and Boateng would also get some relieve from buildup and defending. Fast forwards, fast buildup of attack. Germany is my favorite team in Europe but they are doing too bad.
God just give Philip Max a chance already. His qualities on his crosses and set pieces would helps us a lot. England befitted from Ashley Young and Trippier crosses and abilities on the set pieces a lot during the world cup. Max can do the same. Just kick that favoritism out of your system and give players who are actually playing well for their club team their deserved chances at the national team.
@Ffaris I wish Germany would play without those crosses and create more through quick combinations as they used to up to 2014.
@neumi17 Well Hector sucks at crossing. So yeah we did crossed. Except that was sucked at both crossing and set pieces. Hummels is a big guy. Boateng is a big guy so is hector is a big guy too. We hardly scored from set pieces either. But England did. They got to the semifinal we didn't.
@neumi17 that was because they had we 2 dynamic box to box midfielders back than, namely Bastian Schweinsteiger and Peak Khedira. Schweinsteiger retired and Khedira is old and he basically sucks now. Our wingers were still bad at dribbling even back in 2014 (Prinz Poldi, Draxler, Schrulle, Gotze and Thomas Muller were our wingers so yeah dribbling not their strong points). It was just that we had dynamic box to box midfielders who created space for our strikers. As much as I like Kroos he isn't remotely close to being a box to box midfielder; he's more of a Xavi-esqe midfielder. You can't really expect Kroos to provide all that energy in the midfield and combined with dead beat Khedira so we were cruising for a bruising. Honestly I agree with Messi. Germany doesn't have (Neymar or Mbappe like) superstar amongst their ranks. And I blame German youth system for that which definitely needs to be overhauled. France, Brazil and Spain have superstars and we don't.
@Ffaris - Germany does have superstars. Neuer, ter Stegen, Hummels, Boateng, Kroos have been among the world's best at their positions. But Löw has been committing the same error as del Bosque before him. Playing the same players every time, regardless of opponent, regardless of form, regardless of what works doesn't make for an efficient & winning football.
@andrew7taylor Those are very good players but no Superstars with supreme skills like the other countries have ( Spain, Belgium, France, Brazil, ...)
@andrew7taylor When I said super star I specifically mentioned Neymar or Mbappe esque superstars. You know winging wizards like Hazard, Neymar, Dembelle or Mbappe guys who know how to dribble past their opponent. Rather than giving ponderous tiki taka passes that leads to nowhere. That kind of superstar Germany definitely lacks. Gotze was like that winging wizard before that myopathy disaster that struck him and reduced him to whatever he's today.
Pröpper is injured, Tete is not even in the squad, which amateur does the previews??
Boateng and Hummels are pair of jokes. Where is Kerher and Metz
@ambrose Thilo Kehrer he's not regular for PSG. And Metz? I'm guessing you're talking about Mesut Ozil. Well his story was quite unfortunate. He was made a SOLE scapegoat for Germany failure at the world cup. Instead of overhauling our youth system and thereby creating skillful players for the the national team and firing some incompetent members of DfB (German FA). Ozil was made the scapegoat. So in summary Ozil OUT and incompetent people running the German FA still IN.
@Ffaris Well, Özil resigned out of free will and with very strange, cowardly reasoning ...
@neumi17 Not cowardly. Well he was publicly attacked by Matthaus, Hoeness and various members of german fa members who wanted to retain their jobs instead of getting the sack they deserve.
@Ffaris- Think @neumi17 meant specifically the racism part.
@ambrose Who is Metz ? :-0
I'm expecting Ger will lose in both matches
it's time to play Uth as a CF please.
@congthanhgiong - Why? He not only hasn't scored, but he isn't even starting for Schalke. In the spring he was in great form, but it's autumn now.
Germany = free money
@angelo44 Good thing everybody knows not to listen to you now
1-2 SCORE GER
Löw already announced, that Müller will play besides Ginter and will be his main man on the field...Just go home Löw !
I think I know more about football than Low. Seriously Sule paired with Kroos ; Hummels,Boateng as CBs ; dropping Muller and playing a fast and young attack with Sane,Werner,Draxler,Brandt,Gnabry. Would be a much much better lineup. Don't give CB much time on ball instead use Kroos for possession. Literally Germany would be best team in the world. Don't know why Muller plays all the matches. Sadly, Low doesn't have guts to experiment with his lineup. Netherlands are so strong with young defenders. They won't allow the dead German attack to sneak past them. FdJ,De Ligt are diamonds. Never seen such good defenders and pretty good on ball at this young age.
@yash8117 I ask my self what happened to Rudiger whose is doing so well for Chelsea now. Maybe Ozil is to be blamed for this defeat because he retired
@yash8117 are you sure about Kroos playing CB??
@ambrose lol I meant a Kroos-Sule pivot ahead Hummels,Boateng as CB. To give Kroos more cover in midfield I woul pair him with Sule who is good at defending like Casemiro. The reason why Germany lost. Kroos can't play a DM alone, his workrate is too high. He can't add another role to his existing one.
@yash8117 - Where did this idea of Süle playing in midfield come from? As far as I know, he has never played anything but central defender. Versatility is a talent, not a matter of willingness.
It could be a good team if it wasn't for Löw. NEUER - KIMMICH, SÜLE, HUMMELS, HECTOR - KROOS, CAN - SANÈ, GNABRY, BRAND - WERNER would be a very gifted starting 11. But I can imagine that Löw puts out a ridiculous squad like Neuer - Ginter, Boateng, Süle, Schulz - Rudy, Kroos - Werner, Draxler, Müller - Uth
Boring football guaranteed ...