"Ronaldo could do much better in a team with less support." Again not scored in 25 out of 27 matches against WC champions nations. The world would easily collapse from this huge lie.
@Pastore10 And do we compare Real which won 9 UCL"s before CR and Barcelona who 1 before Messi really? And face to face Barca usually overpassed Real in Messi era, definitely in CR era. Messi 6 PDs 6 Copas, CR 2 PDs (even in 17 he was not an important player in champ, B-team won it in the spring and 2 Copas, where Real won without him against Barcelona!!!, show how freakin deep Real squads were in CR era, Maybe the deepest squad ever, so CR could rest lot of times in PD.
@Pastore10 Cr has never played in club team with lesser support. The strongest PL team ever with the best manager, the club of the history with the strongest midfield, and the strongest italian team since 10 years without real rivals.
Kroos lead Germany to win WC without CR, Modric lead a mediocre team into final a la Messi with a mediocre Argentina. What has CR archieved without them? WC last 16 in 2018 or group stage disaster? In Godin and Gimenez pocket or what? They were much better and important players than CR.
CR won his first UCL with Manchester in his 5th year with the sky high best team of the world, then in 5th year with Madrid (thanks to Modric and co.) With Juve he is useless even without a Ferencvaros. Until then the whole team changed around him, because he was absolute useless without the perfect teammates in every porision. In Juve he has not that luxury, so he is an UCL clown.
Ronaldo won nothing in Real without Modric, Kroos and isco, not even an UCL final. Between 2014-18 Real were the sky high best team of the world, and what had CR archieved in Spain? 1 Pd and 1 copa del rey? Until Messi 3 and 3. He won nothing with Portugal, when stayed injury-free, when not Portugal instantly won an Euro. And the real reality check how overrated CR is: not scored in 25 out of 27 matches against WC champions nations, 25 out of 26 against teams with real coach (Spain hadnt one after Lopetegui sack before the start), never scored or assisted in WC last stages, never scored or assisted in Portugal last do or die matches (2004, 06, 08, 10, 12, 16, 17, 18 and i dont even mentioned his group stage disaster in 14), only success was without him in 16 final. Coincidence? Hardly...from his 102 goals only 28 were scored against Top50 teams on the world rankings. He is the successor of Ali Daei as the biggest stastpadder, but against big teams and in big matches quasi useless.
Messi is nothing without Xavi and Iniesta.
I believe that without Messi, Barca could've also won many trophies in the period of 2006-2015, because they had Iniesta and Xavi, who also brought Spain to win 2 Euros and 1 World Cup. They were the real beasts, Messi was not.
If Ronaldo was the one who played in Barca with Xavi and Iniesta, they would've won much more trophies.
@michael10 , you're clearly a Messi hater, bro. Kkkk.. / Messi has been playing without Xavi and Iniesta for many years now. And overall, he has been doing quite well.
@michael10
-When barca won the UCL and La Liga in 2015, neither Xavi nor Iniesta had major carrying roles and they rarely both startet together in the XI. The problem with barca goes much deeper than a simple iniesta/xavi
- Ur double standards when justifying cr7's lack of succes in a certain period of timebecause of "weak team" (not true btw) and blaming messi for the exact same thing are over the roof.
- U are also downtalking real madrid players BY A LOT. Out of all his "important finals" cr7 was clearly the best player only in his game against juve. Other players had to step up, and they always fid, he did not carry nothing, that is cleer to see now in juvenths.
__________
U are nothing more but a polished cr7 extremist
@pisoga And he failed. That's why Barca played like this now. No one could copy the job that Xavi and Iniesta did. But I think Barca could do better if they have Ronaldo now. Ronaldo could do much better in a team with less support.
@duc1 Xavi and Iniesta were more important than Messi thou. They even won Barca a Champions League title in 2006 (when Messi was not their first team player). After they moved away from Barca? Messi still could not won Barca a UCL title after so many years. So??
@michael10 But in the same period Ronaldo won almost nothing with Real madrid. Also since messi is the better player, how would they have won "much more trophies"? and barça played possessional football, something that ronaldo is terrible at so he would have been a flop.
@Siddhant First of all, Ronaldo won less trophies in that period (2009-2015) because at that period, Real Madrid had weaker squad overall. They didn't have midfielders with the quality of Xavi and Iniesta. They didn't even won UCL for years before Ronaldo joined.
While Messi had those remarkable midfielders behind him. Even a striker like David Villa played really well in Spain with the support of Xavi and Iniesta, won 2 Euros and 1 World Cup.
And I think, if Ronaldo had Iniesta and Xavi behind him, he would've won much more trophies than Messi did. See 2014 onwards? Even with the like of Modric and Casemiro (who are in my opinion not better than Xavi and Iniesta), Ronaldo could win so much trophies in 2015-2018.
Lol. What make you said that Ronaldo is terrible to play possesional football? Do you think Juventus didn't play possessional football?
@michael10
Penaldians: Messi is nothing without Xavi and Iniesta.
Also penaldians: Pendu can't win anything without good teammates.
Penaldian doctrine is based on hypocrisy.
@Pastore10 Barca was not better for sure. If you know football, you should've known the Atletico's style of play. They don't usually dominate possession and shoot on goal. But, they are effective, only need a few chances and goal. Moreover, Barca didn't create any dangerous threat at all. All shoots were useless. Even without Ter Stegen's blunder, Barca could not win this match, and of course, they were not better.
Barca is lucky that Suarez will miss this game. but since Grizemann will be in the starting XI, there is no doubt that Atletico will win this game at least 3:0
Pique injured, Dembele injured, Roberto injured.
"Ronaldo could do much better in a team with less support." Again not scored in 25 out of 27 matches against WC champions nations. The world would easily collapse from this huge lie.
@Pastore10 And do we compare Real which won 9 UCL"s before CR and Barcelona who 1 before Messi really? And face to face Barca usually overpassed Real in Messi era, definitely in CR era. Messi 6 PDs 6 Copas, CR 2 PDs (even in 17 he was not an important player in champ, B-team won it in the spring and 2 Copas, where Real won without him against Barcelona!!!, show how freakin deep Real squads were in CR era, Maybe the deepest squad ever, so CR could rest lot of times in PD.
@Pastore10 Cr has never played in club team with lesser support. The strongest PL team ever with the best manager, the club of the history with the strongest midfield, and the strongest italian team since 10 years without real rivals.
@Pastore10 relax!!! chill!! god!!
Kroos lead Germany to win WC without CR, Modric lead a mediocre team into final a la Messi with a mediocre Argentina. What has CR archieved without them? WC last 16 in 2018 or group stage disaster? In Godin and Gimenez pocket or what? They were much better and important players than CR.
Conclusion CR is uselees without Modric, Kroos and Isco, FACT.
@Pastore10 Pendu scored against powerhouses like Calgiari, Spezia, Andorra without those guys. Clearly he is the goat.
CR won his first UCL with Manchester in his 5th year with the sky high best team of the world, then in 5th year with Madrid (thanks to Modric and co.) With Juve he is useless even without a Ferencvaros. Until then the whole team changed around him, because he was absolute useless without the perfect teammates in every porision. In Juve he has not that luxury, so he is an UCL clown.
Ronaldo won nothing in Real without Modric, Kroos and isco, not even an UCL final. Between 2014-18 Real were the sky high best team of the world, and what had CR archieved in Spain? 1 Pd and 1 copa del rey? Until Messi 3 and 3. He won nothing with Portugal, when stayed injury-free, when not Portugal instantly won an Euro. And the real reality check how overrated CR is: not scored in 25 out of 27 matches against WC champions nations, 25 out of 26 against teams with real coach (Spain hadnt one after Lopetegui sack before the start), never scored or assisted in WC last stages, never scored or assisted in Portugal last do or die matches (2004, 06, 08, 10, 12, 16, 17, 18 and i dont even mentioned his group stage disaster in 14), only success was without him in 16 final. Coincidence? Hardly...from his 102 goals only 28 were scored against Top50 teams on the world rankings. He is the successor of Ali Daei as the biggest stastpadder, but against big teams and in big matches quasi useless.
Messi is nothing without Xavi and Iniesta. I believe that without Messi, Barca could've also won many trophies in the period of 2006-2015, because they had Iniesta and Xavi, who also brought Spain to win 2 Euros and 1 World Cup. They were the real beasts, Messi was not. If Ronaldo was the one who played in Barca with Xavi and Iniesta, they would've won much more trophies.
@michael10 , you're clearly a Messi hater, bro. Kkkk.. / Messi has been playing without Xavi and Iniesta for many years now. And overall, he has been doing quite well.
@michael10 -When barca won the UCL and La Liga in 2015, neither Xavi nor Iniesta had major carrying roles and they rarely both startet together in the XI. The problem with barca goes much deeper than a simple iniesta/xavi - Ur double standards when justifying cr7's lack of succes in a certain period of timebecause of "weak team" (not true btw) and blaming messi for the exact same thing are over the roof. - U are also downtalking real madrid players BY A LOT. Out of all his "important finals" cr7 was clearly the best player only in his game against juve. Other players had to step up, and they always fid, he did not carry nothing, that is cleer to see now in juvenths. __________ U are nothing more but a polished cr7 extremist
@michael10 what a dumb kid. Messi's been doing Xavi, Iniesta and his job atm
@pisoga And he failed. That's why Barca played like this now. No one could copy the job that Xavi and Iniesta did. But I think Barca could do better if they have Ronaldo now. Ronaldo could do much better in a team with less support.
@michael10 haha a kid saying a guy with 6 golden ball is not important? pls dont make me laugh that hard
@duc1 Xavi and Iniesta were more important than Messi thou. They even won Barca a Champions League title in 2006 (when Messi was not their first team player). After they moved away from Barca? Messi still could not won Barca a UCL title after so many years. So??
@michael10 But in the same period Ronaldo won almost nothing with Real madrid. Also since messi is the better player, how would they have won "much more trophies"? and barça played possessional football, something that ronaldo is terrible at so he would have been a flop.
@Siddhant First of all, Ronaldo won less trophies in that period (2009-2015) because at that period, Real Madrid had weaker squad overall. They didn't have midfielders with the quality of Xavi and Iniesta. They didn't even won UCL for years before Ronaldo joined. While Messi had those remarkable midfielders behind him. Even a striker like David Villa played really well in Spain with the support of Xavi and Iniesta, won 2 Euros and 1 World Cup. And I think, if Ronaldo had Iniesta and Xavi behind him, he would've won much more trophies than Messi did. See 2014 onwards? Even with the like of Modric and Casemiro (who are in my opinion not better than Xavi and Iniesta), Ronaldo could win so much trophies in 2015-2018. Lol. What make you said that Ronaldo is terrible to play possesional football? Do you think Juventus didn't play possessional football?
@michael10 You don't understand football.
@MrNemobody That's all you could say? Then you are the one who don't understand football, kid :)
@michael10 Penaldians: Messi is nothing without Xavi and Iniesta. Also penaldians: Pendu can't win anything without good teammates. Penaldian doctrine is based on hypocrisy.
Barca say Pique could be out for 4-6 months due to bad knee injury.
Another amazing game from Frionel Penessi, el pecho frio. Last goal from open play was about three months ago, it could be worst...uish!
@Coutadas I keep saying this will be by far his worst season ever but people don't listen!
Messi 7.2??? For what? Walking, and losing possession 90% of the time?
Barca are getting relagated this season
Simeone first win against Barcelona in PD thanks to Ter Stegen, xG Atletico 0,7 Barcelona 1,4...Barca was easily better.
@Pastore10 Barca was not better for sure. If you know football, you should've known the Atletico's style of play. They don't usually dominate possession and shoot on goal. But, they are effective, only need a few chances and goal. Moreover, Barca didn't create any dangerous threat at all. All shoots were useless. Even without Ter Stegen's blunder, Barca could not win this match, and of course, they were not better.
@Pastore10 Atleti 3 points from this game, Barca ZERO
Messi seems to have no interest in games sink Koeman took over.
@nexus747 *since Suarez left
Another chance for Griezmann, another surreal masterclass. The guy can't stop proving haters wrong.
Messi deserves no more than a 6. Whole team sucked
Koeman must renew hahahahhaha
Hahahahah this is the worst Barca in last 15 years... They are closer to Segunda than to the top!!!
If Koeman thinks slow and shitty football is a winning strategy, then I hope he has his bags already packed.
Carrasco though what an absolute chad move for the goal!
Koeman is clueless with tactics and player selection which is why he had the sack at everton.
@nexus747 Worst coach ever, i cant even imagine his next games now with pique and roberto injured
It was Pique's fault, he can not control the ball today, and Stegen -_-
what a golazoooooooooooo
Atletico to win 3-1
Correa to score 2
If free-scoring Atleti dont beat this most useless of Baskets, then they never gonna do it EVER...
Under 3.5
Who is so delusional enough to choose Messi for MOTM instead of Pique or Umtiti like a normal person?
@GioMonaldo I would be shocked if Atleti do not win 2-1
@SeuneMilmas this is one of those days...when your not in the mood for a shock
It would be typical for Suarez to score so lucky for Barcelona that hes out... but I still fancy an Atleti win
Atletico 4-2
2-3 Barca win
Barca is lucky that Suarez will miss this game. but since Grizemann will be in the starting XI, there is no doubt that Atletico will win this game at least 3:0
hard game, but hopefully 0/1-2 for Barcelona
@lucca87 or 1-0 Suarez.
@stefanm no Suarez in this game
@stefanm probably not:) it will be 1-3 for Barcelona:)
@lucca87 no, barca is awful under koeman
@stefanm so how bad is Real if they can even play in EL this Spring:) lol:)
@stefanm wdym awful our finishing sucks but we create alot of chances
@BEE10 it is optimistic prognostic for future:)
@lucca87 nah
This is the true test oblak and a more defensive team hopefully a win but a draw is likely
@BEE10 u was right first time buddy, Atleti 4 the WEEEEEEEN
@offside the 1st time?we'll see depends what form of messi an griezi shows up barca only lack finish but creativity is infinite