Good grief. That monkey gesture and bottle throwing was totally uncalled for. First Man City now this classless acts from Spuds supporters. Thank you Boris Johnson for using xenophobia, racism and fear for getting your fat and useless arse elected. You, Murdoch, Ratcliffe, Dyson and Farage have turned UK into evangelism circus clown. Yup use Inklish nationlism cum xenophobia for serving your billionaire masters. And Watch UK crumble. Scot is a national identity too. Yeah goodbye good friday agreement.
@Ffaris- I won't get into the politics but it's important to put racism in football into context. It's never nice to see or hear and appreciably less so to experience, but there are only 500-600 reported incidents per season in the English football league (the 92 teams comprising the EPL, Championship, League One and League Two) out of millions of INDIVIDUAL fans. Not every incident is reported, in all likelihood, but even if we increase the incident number ten-fold, it still does not even represent a percentage point. Rüdiger was quick to point that the racists are a tiny minority, to his credit. Spurs fans were embarrassed over the Aubameyang banana incident and will out the idiots who abused Antonio too. It's not indicative of them as a club.
@SteveHyland yeah sure Steve. I remember you as confessing to being a Brexit lover on this very forum; which is why you totally have no hidden agenda in this long paragraph of yours.
*but even if we increase the incident number ten-fold, it still does not even represent a percentage point* Percentage point? how much percentage point does Man City racist incident that happened exactly a week before account for in your book Mr. Hyland? Lighting doesn't strike twice. Especially the lighting of racism. And what would you say if another racist incident would happen in coming weeks. What kind of excuse would you cough up than? Finally Why the heck did Gary Neville pointed out on LIVE TELEVISION that Boris Johnson played a huge role in this Xenphobic and racist enviorment of English Premier League. It was on Live television Steve. Why do you think Mr. Neville did that? Publicity stunt? Creating drama? Was Mr. Neville speaking the truth about Boris Johson role in this toxic atmosphere?
@Ffaris- I didn't vote that way in the EU referendum so I was likely winding up an Anglophobe. My point still stands- the total number of racist incidents are not an indication of an endemic problem. Antonio Rüdiger understands this so I'm not sure why you can't.
@SteveHyland@SteveHyland how can you that Antonio Rudiger understand this? Did you look into mind? Are you a mentalist Steve? Are you making things up here out of thin air? But for one reason or another Gary Neville doesn't seems to agree with you. That's for sure. I'm understanding it quite perfectly well Steve. It's you who is making excuses and rationalization for these deplorable incidents
@SteveHyland erm you mean this statement?
It is really sad to see racism again at a football match,.. important to talk about it...If not, it will be forgotten....”
“I don’t want to involve Tottenham as an entire club into this situation as I know that just a couple of idiots were the offenders. I got a lot of supportive messages on social media from Spurs fans as well in the last hours – thank you a lot for this."
“I really hope that the offenders will be found and punished soon.... it must be possible to find and subsequently punish them."
Yeah that's his whole statement Steve. He is clearly asking those douchebag to be punished. So what understanding part is there. He just thanked Spuds fans that's it. I don't how you can equate Rudiger thanking Spurs supporter for letting off Boris Johnson fear mongering and Brexiteer scapegoating immigrants off the hook in this gobshyte storm? Only you can do that Steve. But Gary Neville was pretty clear on Bojo role though.
@Ffaris- This will be my last reply. Yes, that is his statement and not only does it not contradict anything that I've said but it actually confirms it, especially the central point- that racism in UK football is not numerous.
@SteveHyland Contradict Steve? Rather Rudiger statement does not actually support any of your argument; if you had one at all. The only consistent thing about you is that you very consistent at changing your own argument. The argument was always on Boris Johnson role on scapegoating immigrants and Brexit Xenophobic campaign that resulted in this mess. Which Gary Neville confirms it. You seems to be artfully dodging it and using Rudiger unrelated statement to connect two unrelated dots. Good job Ethical Steve and merry Christmas.
@Ffaris@Ffaris I don't care what Gary Neville says its a single persons opinion on the subject. Racism existed before Boris Johnson and will exist after him, to say that his political view points have emboldened these racist people is short sited and actually was quite funny to read. How about you stop blaming him for this and just deal with the fact that someone you disagree with got elected and is popular because he speaks a truth you may disagree with.Now can we please get back to football and keep your political opinions to yourself because i think speaking for most people, we don't care.
@Mamix oh you're an Aussie right mate? No wonder you're rationalizing the racist incident here. I'm really very very very sorry for thinking of you as one of those Brexiteer. But I can understand why you can relate to those Brexiteer. Hey your country down under was already scapegoating immigrants way before Donald Trump and Bojo. When was it hmmm 2001 or something when certain Conservative Politician John Howard used immigrant scapegoating and fear mongering narrative to get him self elected. America did it in 2016 with Trump. English people (exuding Scots and Northern Irish) did it with Bojo did in 2018. And You Aussies did it way back with John Howard in 2001. You Aussies are innovator in that regard ;)
@Mamix *Also i think you meant to say "watch UK prosper" under nationalsim ;) *
Yeah sure I agree ;) Racism will prosper. Delusion of British empire will prosper. Billionaire will prosper. Tax Haven will prosper.
UK trade deals certianly won't. Scot are feeling the prosperity of Brexit that's for sure Good friday won't propser as well. So yeah UK will disintegrate It will happen because Brexiteer lot like you simply *didn't care* Because you lot live in your echo chamber totally divorced from reality
@Mamix *to say that Boris Johnson political view points have emboldened these racist people is short sited and actually was quite funny to read..How about you stop blaming him for this and just deal with the fact that someone you disagree with got elected and is popular because he speaks a truth you may disagree with*
Yeah sure Yankees also elected Donald Trump and he is quite popular too like Bojo. Like Bojo he scapegoated the immigrants as political capital. And like Bojo Trump has directly contributed to the environment of racism and Xenphobia. It's not that much hard to understand
Also you are really being extremely lazy here Maxmix. Unlike Seve who took time to cheery pick stats to say "Racism existed before" argument. You didn't even relied on stats. Just made up farts from the air.Come on Mamix at least try to make an effort for making up well thought out excuses for these racist incidents.
Son non può fare un errore da dilettante.Di solito i cinesi hanno più autocontrollo.In una fase delicata dove serviva il suo aiuta ha fatto una bravata,,,
@frankbet190 Son is not Chinese .. Chinese are different with Korean in many things.. don't be confused.. if you tell with cofusing , then Korean is very unpleasant .
@dib I like how he looks so happy when he scores, and I like his awesome goals. But this brought him down in my eyes. Violence and spitting and such crap get's stuck in my mind forever, and I can never again like a player the same way after these things happen.
Mason plays because he is english, but he is not Foden level. Chelsea should buy Dani Olmo for this position available for just 40mil, young world class suted for Chelsea style.
1-2 expect a massive reaction from Frank Lampard's Chelsea. This might just be a turning point in the season for better (top 4) or worse. Lampard and his boys will want to ensure it's for the better. No doubt they'll dominate possession and create chances. Rudiger's presence has solidified the defense and if Chelsea can take their chances, I expect a narrow Chelsea win. Oh, and that's if Kepa doesn't blunder again.
Good grief. That monkey gesture and bottle throwing was totally uncalled for. First Man City now this classless acts from Spuds supporters. Thank you Boris Johnson for using xenophobia, racism and fear for getting your fat and useless arse elected. You, Murdoch, Ratcliffe, Dyson and Farage have turned UK into evangelism circus clown. Yup use Inklish nationlism cum xenophobia for serving your billionaire masters. And Watch UK crumble. Scot is a national identity too. Yeah goodbye good friday agreement.
@Ffaris- I won't get into the politics but it's important to put racism in football into context. It's never nice to see or hear and appreciably less so to experience, but there are only 500-600 reported incidents per season in the English football league (the 92 teams comprising the EPL, Championship, League One and League Two) out of millions of INDIVIDUAL fans. Not every incident is reported, in all likelihood, but even if we increase the incident number ten-fold, it still does not even represent a percentage point. Rüdiger was quick to point that the racists are a tiny minority, to his credit. Spurs fans were embarrassed over the Aubameyang banana incident and will out the idiots who abused Antonio too. It's not indicative of them as a club.
@SteveHyland yeah sure Steve. I remember you as confessing to being a Brexit lover on this very forum; which is why you totally have no hidden agenda in this long paragraph of yours. *but even if we increase the incident number ten-fold, it still does not even represent a percentage point* Percentage point? how much percentage point does Man City racist incident that happened exactly a week before account for in your book Mr. Hyland? Lighting doesn't strike twice. Especially the lighting of racism. And what would you say if another racist incident would happen in coming weeks. What kind of excuse would you cough up than? Finally Why the heck did Gary Neville pointed out on LIVE TELEVISION that Boris Johnson played a huge role in this Xenphobic and racist enviorment of English Premier League. It was on Live television Steve. Why do you think Mr. Neville did that? Publicity stunt? Creating drama? Was Mr. Neville speaking the truth about Boris Johson role in this toxic atmosphere?
@Ffaris- I didn't vote that way in the EU referendum so I was likely winding up an Anglophobe. My point still stands- the total number of racist incidents are not an indication of an endemic problem. Antonio Rüdiger understands this so I'm not sure why you can't.
@SteveHyland @SteveHyland how can you that Antonio Rudiger understand this? Did you look into mind? Are you a mentalist Steve? Are you making things up here out of thin air? But for one reason or another Gary Neville doesn't seems to agree with you. That's for sure. I'm understanding it quite perfectly well Steve. It's you who is making excuses and rationalization for these deplorable incidents
@Ffaris- Rüdiger made a statement after the game.
@SteveHyland erm you mean this statement? It is really sad to see racism again at a football match,.. important to talk about it...If not, it will be forgotten....” “I don’t want to involve Tottenham as an entire club into this situation as I know that just a couple of idiots were the offenders. I got a lot of supportive messages on social media from Spurs fans as well in the last hours – thank you a lot for this." “I really hope that the offenders will be found and punished soon.... it must be possible to find and subsequently punish them." Yeah that's his whole statement Steve. He is clearly asking those douchebag to be punished. So what understanding part is there. He just thanked Spuds fans that's it. I don't how you can equate Rudiger thanking Spurs supporter for letting off Boris Johnson fear mongering and Brexiteer scapegoating immigrants off the hook in this gobshyte storm? Only you can do that Steve. But Gary Neville was pretty clear on Bojo role though.
@Ffaris- This will be my last reply. Yes, that is his statement and not only does it not contradict anything that I've said but it actually confirms it, especially the central point- that racism in UK football is not numerous.
@SteveHyland Contradict Steve? Rather Rudiger statement does not actually support any of your argument; if you had one at all. The only consistent thing about you is that you very consistent at changing your own argument. The argument was always on Boris Johnson role on scapegoating immigrants and Brexit Xenophobic campaign that resulted in this mess. Which Gary Neville confirms it. You seems to be artfully dodging it and using Rudiger unrelated statement to connect two unrelated dots. Good job Ethical Steve and merry Christmas.
@Ffaris Also i think you meant to say "watch UK prosper" under nationalsim ;)
@Ffaris @Ffaris I don't care what Gary Neville says its a single persons opinion on the subject. Racism existed before Boris Johnson and will exist after him, to say that his political view points have emboldened these racist people is short sited and actually was quite funny to read. How about you stop blaming him for this and just deal with the fact that someone you disagree with got elected and is popular because he speaks a truth you may disagree with.Now can we please get back to football and keep your political opinions to yourself because i think speaking for most people, we don't care.
@Mamix oh you're an Aussie right mate? No wonder you're rationalizing the racist incident here. I'm really very very very sorry for thinking of you as one of those Brexiteer. But I can understand why you can relate to those Brexiteer. Hey your country down under was already scapegoating immigrants way before Donald Trump and Bojo. When was it hmmm 2001 or something when certain Conservative Politician John Howard used immigrant scapegoating and fear mongering narrative to get him self elected. America did it in 2016 with Trump. English people (exuding Scots and Northern Irish) did it with Bojo did in 2018. And You Aussies did it way back with John Howard in 2001. You Aussies are innovator in that regard ;)
@Mamix *Also i think you meant to say "watch UK prosper" under nationalsim ;) * Yeah sure I agree ;) Racism will prosper. Delusion of British empire will prosper. Billionaire will prosper. Tax Haven will prosper. UK trade deals certianly won't. Scot are feeling the prosperity of Brexit that's for sure Good friday won't propser as well. So yeah UK will disintegrate It will happen because Brexiteer lot like you simply *didn't care* Because you lot live in your echo chamber totally divorced from reality
@Mamix *to say that Boris Johnson political view points have emboldened these racist people is short sited and actually was quite funny to read..How about you stop blaming him for this and just deal with the fact that someone you disagree with got elected and is popular because he speaks a truth you may disagree with* Yeah sure Yankees also elected Donald Trump and he is quite popular too like Bojo. Like Bojo he scapegoated the immigrants as political capital. And like Bojo Trump has directly contributed to the environment of racism and Xenphobia. It's not that much hard to understand Also you are really being extremely lazy here Maxmix. Unlike Seve who took time to cheery pick stats to say "Racism existed before" argument. You didn't even relied on stats. Just made up farts from the air.Come on Mamix at least try to make an effort for making up well thought out excuses for these racist incidents.
Son non può fare un errore da dilettante.Di solito i cinesi hanno più autocontrollo.In una fase delicata dove serviva il suo aiuta ha fatto una bravata,,,
@frankbet190 Son is not Chinese .. Chinese are different with Korean in many things.. don't be confused.. if you tell with cofusing , then Korean is very unpleasant .
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner...
Mou what a loser. Lost to both of his ex teams, pathetic.
The special one of course
Spurs need 4-5 decent players in January.
I love Son, but that was an ugly kick.
@Fromhell Yes, his second one in last 2 months...
@dib I like how he looks so happy when he scores, and I like his awesome goals. But this brought him down in my eyes. Violence and spitting and such crap get's stuck in my mind forever, and I can never again like a player the same way after these things happen.
Mason plays because he is english, but he is not Foden level. Chelsea should buy Dani Olmo for this position available for just 40mil, young world class suted for Chelsea style.
@Patrikovic Thats just not true tho
@spino It is.
Tottenham looks strangely weak and bad in this game.
@Fromhell mourihno finally shows result of him work)))
Bad day at the office for keepers today. Now Gazzaniga and such kind of blooper. Fortunately Marcos Alonso ended safe, could've been severity wounded.
Quality from Willian. Spurs need a RB. Aurier is an appalling defender and always has been.
Chelsea win to nil
@footballover Nice one.
José to win the psychological battle and Tottenham to take home advantage... Hopefully. Tottenham 2-1 Chelsea
2-1
So to get back from Man Utd fluke. Bts, draw, 2-2.
I'm starting to get fed up with this Mount favoritism from Lampard tbf
@tboyjojo Mason, so higher instance is behind that :)
these games should be over 2.5 and btts, but then they usually end up as 0-0 or 1-0. so i guess it will be 0-0.
1X& under 3,5
3-1
Spurs will win. It's still the honeymoon period with Mourinho, and he will exploit Lampard's inexperience.
Draw
Viva Tottenham
SONZERA 2x---SPURS 3-1
Score draw
2-1 or 2-2
1-2 expect a massive reaction from Frank Lampard's Chelsea. This might just be a turning point in the season for better (top 4) or worse. Lampard and his boys will want to ensure it's for the better. No doubt they'll dominate possession and create chances. Rudiger's presence has solidified the defense and if Chelsea can take their chances, I expect a narrow Chelsea win. Oh, and that's if Kepa doesn't blunder again.
@tboyjojo wow nice prediction,u have channel for bet?